My megadrum doesn't work properly

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My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby milkhouse » Tue May 26, 2009 4:59 pm

Hi, i have a problem with my MD. I only hear the ride's bow. Nothing happends with any other sound. I can see midi activity in the pc, when i hit the ride's bow only.
My configuration is the following:
All in one v2.8 from Synthex (excellent quality btw... points for Synthex :P)
Input pcb (Synthex's design) but made in a proto board (no differece in that :D)
Only 3 piezos connected: both snares (didn't work) and 1 ride's bow (because is the only one working)
No pedals connected, no jumpers in Input pcb
The resistance attached to pin 26 of pic18f2550 and new firmware
20 Mhz crystal
The response is not instant when i hit a piezo (1/2 sec i assume), and sometimes when i hit it lot of times takes a while and sounds like i hitted but later (3 secs)
Displays shows good function of the piezos in all inputs
Dunno what to do :'(
Thanks in advance :D
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby r0bbie » Tue May 26, 2009 6:11 pm

welcome to the forum Milkhouse.

It might be handy if you describe your complete setup first.
What kind of computer, soundcard, soundcard driver version, and sampler software you are using.
20 Mhz. ? I remember only 16 and 12 Mhz. in my Synthex 2.8 kit.
If it ain't broken try to improve it.
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby dmitri » Tue May 26, 2009 6:14 pm

milkhouse wrote:Hi, i have a problem with my MD. I only hear the ride's bow. Nothing happends with any other sound. I can see midi activity in the pc, when i hit the ride's bow only.
My configuration is the following:
All in one v2.8 from Synthex (excellent quality btw... points for Synthex :P)
Input pcb (Synthex's design) but made in a proto board (no differece in that :D)
Only 3 piezos connected: both snares (didn't work) and 1 ride's bow (because is the only one working)

Even though it'll sound boring but you should check and then re-check continuity between snare piezos all the way to and the board.
Check these piezos on the ride input to make sure they're ok

No pedals connected, no jumpers in Input pcb
The resistance attached to pin 26 of pic18f2550 and new firmware
20 Mhz crystal
The response is not instant when i hit a piezo (1/2 sec i assume)

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q= ... =&aq=f&oq=

, and sometimes when i hit it lot of times takes a while and sounds like i hitted but later (3 secs)

Sorry, didn't get this.

Keep in mind that when hitting bare piezos they're generating too high output voltage which is not good.
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby milkhouse » Tue May 26, 2009 8:53 pm

r0bbie wrote:welcome to the forum Milkhouse.
thanks man, and thanks for answering so fast.
r0bbie wrote:It might be handy if you describe your complete setup first.
What kind of computer, soundcard, soundcard driver version, and sampler software you are using.
20 Mhz. ? I remember only 16 and 12 Mhz. in my Synthex 2.8 kit.
i have an athlon 64 x2 5200+, with 2 Gb Ram, and im using a generic sound card.
i tried 2 softwares, and they both worked equally.
Cubase with Ezdrummer
Toontrack solo with Ezdrummer
both with diferent kits, (pop rock and drums from hell)
It should be ok if i used 20Mhz crystal according to what it says here: http://www.megadrum.info/content/downloads
thanks for your interest in helping
dmitri wrote:Even though it'll sound boring but you should check and then re-check continuity between snare piezos all the way to and the board.
Check these piezos on the ride input to make sure they're ok
first of all, thanks for writing me back.
im on that right now, i will edit this line as soon as i finish
i want to clarify that the MD's display shows the activity of the input correctly, in every single input pin. the PC is the one that doesn't detect activity (only does it with ride)
i had to download and install "ASIO4ALL_2_9_English" because toontrack needed it to initialize
and sometimes when i hit it lot of times takes a while and sounds like i hitted but later (3 secs)

let me try to explain with a drawing:
piezo --> delay (secs) --> pc (MIDI activity and sound - PC's MIDI activity indicator, and sound goes instantly together)
hit --> 0.5 sec --> sound
hit1 (0.1 seg) hit2 (0.1 seg) hit3 --> 2 sec --> sound1 (0.1 seg) sound2 (0.1 seg) sound3
dmitri wrote:Keep in mind that when hitting bare piezos they're generating too high output voltage which is not good.
crap, i will xD

finally, i wanted to add that i used this firmware for picf18f2550 "pic18f2550usb_midi.hex" from http://www.megadrum.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=268
Thanks guys!
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby milkhouse » Thu May 28, 2009 6:54 pm

i tested connections, it seems those are fine... changed IDE cable i used... everything the same (4 - 5 inputs sound as RIDE BELL)
i mean, same sound, with different VU meter activity (till VU meters, ecerything seems to work perfect, after that... dunno what happends)
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby r0bbie » Thu May 28, 2009 7:29 pm

milkhouse wrote:i tested connections, it seems those are fine... changed IDE cable i used... everything the same (4 - 5 inputs sound as RIDE BELL)
i mean, same sound, with different VU meter activity (till VU meters, ecerything seems to work perfect, after that... dunno what happends)


Did you try to power up your Megadrum with the right button pressed so it will load default settings?
If it ain't broken try to improve it.
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby dmitri » Thu May 28, 2009 7:40 pm

milkhouse wrote:i want to clarify that the MD's display shows the activity of the input correctly, in every single input pin. the PC is the one that doesn't detect activity (only does it with ride)

So VU meters do react to pads/piezos on snare inputs? In that case you have a mismatch in notes number mapping between the software you use and MegaDrum.
Use MIDI-OX to actually see that you get MIDI messages when you hit on snare piezos/pads.
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby macca2004 » Thu May 28, 2009 8:05 pm

Are you sure you have all the connections setup correctly...the aux imputs all have the same midi number allocated from default. On my MD all my aux inputs played a closed hi-hat until I change the midi number.
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby milkhouse » Thu May 28, 2009 8:17 pm

dmitri wrote:Use MIDI-OX to actually see that you get MIDI messages when you hit on snare piezos/pads.

VU meters show perfectly activity, pads are not the problem, i tested many times the inputs, changing ide cable i was using, testing directly trough 4850 IC's pins, and worked perfectly.

Capture:

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
000009B5 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On
00000A11 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On

00000DBF 2 3 D3 6D -- 4 --- Channel Aft
0000129C 2 3 D3 6D -- 4 --- Channel Aft

000014B3 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On
00001E44 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On
000191A0 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On
0001A15E 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On
0001A22B 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On
0001A2EF 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On
0001A565 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On
0001ABDB 2 3 93 6D 13 4 C# 8 Note On

0001BCA7 2 3 E8 6D 08 9 --- Pitch Bend
0001C26C 2 3 88 6D 08 9 C# 8 Note Off
0001D8C2 2 3 C8 6D -- 9 --- PC: Bagpipe
0001DDCB 2 3 A8 6D 08 9 C# 8 Key Aftertouch
0001E143 2 3 A8 6D 08 9 C# 8 Key Aftertouch
0001E513 2 3 A8 6D 08 9 C# 8 Key Aftertouch
00023ED1 2 3 A8 6D 08 9 C# 8 Key Aftertouch
00023F0F 2 3 A8 6D 08 9 C# 8 Key Aftertouch

00026A49 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
00026C61 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
00026F52 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off

00026F9C 2 3 C5 6D -- 6 --- PC: Bagpipe
00026FC9 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
0002709C 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
000270FF 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
000271A7 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
00027783 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
00027892 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
00027AAC 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
000280B9 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
000283C7 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
00028431 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off

00028466 2 3 C5 6D -- 6 --- PC: Bagpipe
000284AD 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
00028531 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off
000285F8 2 3 85 6D 05 6 C# 8 Note Off

that's me plugging in diferent ports ( ride, snare and one random... dunno which)
where it says "Key Aftertouch" or "Channel Aftertouch" is when i was plugging/unplugging piezo. I used just one to test that :D
Last edited by milkhouse on Fri May 29, 2009 12:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: My megadrum doesn't work properly

Postby milkhouse » Thu May 28, 2009 8:24 pm

macca2004 wrote:Are you sure you have all the connections setup correctly...the aux imputs all have the same midi number allocated from default. On my MD all my aux inputs played a closed hi-hat until I change the midi number.

according to Synthex's manual, im plugging everything right. i re checked several times :D

r0bbie wrote:Did you try to power up your Megadrum with the right button pressed so it will load default settings?


no, i didn't i will try that now

btw, thanks again for your concern guys (macca, r0bbie and dmitri)
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